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RE: Seasons' duration and dates - 1959nikos - 19-08-2015
There was talk about duration of our seasons before the start of Lola Season 5, I remember it as I started it
In that thread I proposed 1 full year duration for seasons but as I remember not many people liked that.
Some people even proposed less than half a year duration. The downside to this is that if we put in the calendar the usual historic tracks we all favour, Spa, Monza, Longford, Nords, Monaco or Le Mans (one or the other, I dont think we should be doing both at the same season, Monaco is for OWs while Le Mans is for SportsCars) there is not much place left for other tracks.
At the same time I understand the need to change seasons and cars more often, it maybe gets boring otherwise.
One thing also against smaller seasons is the time needed for the league to decide on cars and dates.
Regarding cars I believe we should have decided not only active season's cars but also next season's as well so we dont spend time beating our brains what to do next.
So, I propose for season after 60s F2s we should do 60s F1s (lol very obvious).
Anyway there has come a time when we must form our seasons in a regular way so admins dont have to think everything from the start every time.
More importand, we dont want situations like we had till now, for instance Brabham Season 4 started at 1st June 2014 and ended 14th December 2014, while Lola Season 5 started at 15th Feb 2015 and ended 16th August 2015.
This means you cannot use again last seasons days as they overlap.
So, we must establish feasible dates with possible alternatives.
I give two tables of dates, first two seasons every year with 12 races each and second three seasons every year with 8 races each. There is an interval between seasons that can really help in case something wrong happens and we need extra dates as it happened at Brabham Season.
Red dots and yellow dots represent alternative dates if red set falls on an importand day like New Years Eve, we use the green set.
1. Two seasons every year 12 races each, 6 months each, we start at first or second Sunday of September and at first or second Sunday of March.
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RE: Seasons' duration and dates - bullwinkle - 20-08-2015
I like 2 seasons a year and F2 then F1 sounds good. I like the 2 30 minute races but a 1 hour is ok in there. I did not like 2 hour race but I am the old man.
I would like some old anew tracks even tho they are not period correct they are nice and pretty to drive.
All this said I will be there no matter what so anyone can pick. Did not like Mountain Peak either Just My opinion. With Paul's help I will be happy to track points again. (thanks Chris)
Brianza 2- 30's other than Lemans
The Glen
Austin Texas
Monte Carlo
Oran Park
Spa
Sao Paolo
Imola
Donnington
Montreal
Leman 1 hour
Silverstone
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - 1959nikos - 20-08-2015
bullwinkle Wrote:I like 2 seasons a year
Lets keep this thread about how many seasons Tim.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - JimmyC - 20-08-2015
I prefer three seasons, though, like bullwinkle, two (or one) is OK and won't keep me away.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - gorgias1976 - 20-08-2015
I prefer racing 2 seasons per year but I can fit whatever is chosen. September is really close, it will be very difficult to start that early.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - 1959nikos - 20-08-2015
gorgias1976 Wrote:I prefer racing 2 seasons per year but I can fit whatever is chosen. September is really close, it will be very difficult to start that early.
We can start at any Sunday of September, if we start at 3rd or 4th Sunday we will have 2 races inside August against one, thats all.
Im adding a poll to this thread, please vote.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - 1959nikos - 20-08-2015
JimmyC Wrote:I prefer three seasons, though, like bullwinkle, two (or one) is OK and won't keep me away.
Btw long time Jim, glad to have you back
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - Axe - 20-08-2015
voted for 3 seasons per year, of course no problem for me personally with 2.
I offer one notice to consider:
just finished season was great and I really really enjoyed it. The only flaw I can claim is slowly eroding attendance in the events during the course of the season. We started with 20+ grid, which was incredible but last events we were below 10 perhaps (I am not sure now and lazy to check). My championship position is very good for me but I know it is possible only because some of the way faster drivers than me gave up. If it were possible to replace my position in the championship with constant 20+ grid till the end of the season, I would instantly do that without any hesitation.
I know this is common phenomenon in all leagues and seasons. I would say (not to offend/point anybody just general observation during my 3+year simracing career) people are quickly bored usually. So I think a shorter season could prevent or at least decrease the risk of a small grid in later events. Especially in combination with current scoring/pointing scheme which also strongly rewards and supports regular attendance.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - deecee52 - 20-08-2015
Axe Wrote:voted for 3 seasons per year, of course no problem for me personally with 2.
I offer one notice to consider:
just finished season was great and I really really enjoyed it. The only flaw I can claim is slowly eroding attendance in the events during the course of the season. We started with 20+ grid, which was incredible but last events we were below 10 perhaps (I am not sure now and lazy to check). My championship position is very good for me but I know it is possible only because some of the way faster drivers than me gave up. If it were possible to replace my position in the championship with constant 20+ grid till the end of the season, I would instantly do that without any hesitation.
I know this is common phenomenon in all leagues and seasons. I would say (not to offend/point anybody just general observation during my 3+year simracing career) people are quickly bored usually. So I think a shorter season could prevent or at least decrease the risk of a small grid in later events. Especially in combination with current scoring/pointing scheme which also strongly rewards and supports regular attendance.
This seems to happen when we run the more powerfull classes , it happened when we run F1 , Brabhams and Lolas . I think maybe some of the fun goes for some people if they have to spend too much time fighting the car instead of the other drivers , hopefully F2 will bring folks back as they were a blast last time we run them and the racing was closer .
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - jerry 33 - 20-08-2015
kinda what Axe said.. I know that the core group of this league - live, eat and die sim racing - I guess that is why the league is called sim racers 4 life ;D
but to get more people I would think you would have to have the league to be in peak "in door" season - like October thru april.. that should be the points season. second season, may thru sept - could be made up of fun races (no points), of WHATEVER you want. new F1, vettes, old cars, enduro's, whatever you would want to do to change up and try to keep the interest level up.. possible to make some of those races on a week night - hoping not to interfere with family's and summer activities.. this will NOT sit well with "core group" of course, because as the sign says: life if for sim racing, and sim racing is 4 Life..
even if this would be considered, which I doubt, but let's just dream a little... a stopper could be made that, we don't alter from what we have been, or change the mold.. you can look at it that way I suppose.. or, you can look at it as a test, to see what IS possible..
but, you asked for input and there is mine :
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - 1959nikos - 20-08-2015
Axe Wrote:voted for 3 seasons per year, of course no problem for me personally with 2.
I offer one notice to consider:
just finished season was great and I really really enjoyed it. The only flaw I can claim is slowly eroding attendance in the events during the course of the season. We started with 20+ grid, which was incredible but last events we were below 10 perhaps (I am not sure now and lazy to check). My championship position is very good for me but I know it is possible only because some of the way faster drivers than me gave up. If it were possible to replace my position in the championship with constant 20+ grid till the end of the season, I would instantly do that without any hesitation.
I know this is common phenomenon in all leagues and seasons. I would say (not to offend/point anybody just general observation during my 3+year simracing career) people are quickly bored usually. So I think a shorter season could prevent or at least decrease the risk of a small grid in later events. Especially in combination with current scoring/pointing scheme which also strongly rewards and supports regular attendance.
Juraj you were very fast and consistent this year, I believe your second place is totally deserved.
Your reason for voting for three seasons persuaded me, Im voting for three seasons too.
jerry 33 Wrote:kinda what Axe said.. I know that the core group of this league - live, eat and die sim racing - I guess that is why the league is called sim racers 4 life ;D
but to get more people I would think you would have to have the league to be in peak "in door" season - like October thru april.. that should be the points season. second season, may thru sept - could be made up of fun races (no points), of WHATEVER you want. new F1, vettes, old cars, enduro's, whatever you would want to do to change up and try to keep the interest level up.. possible to make some of those races on a week night - hoping not to interfere with family's and summer activities.. this will NOT sit well with "core group" of course, because as the sign says: life if for sim racing, and sim racing is 4 Life..
even if this would be considered, which I doubt, but let's just dream a little... a stopper could be made that, we don't alter from what we have been, or change the mold.. you can look at it that way I suppose.. or, you can look at it as a test, to see what IS possible..
but, you asked for input and there is mine :
Jerry I wish attendance problem was only because of lack of content but I dont think so.
Look at how many people attend every day at the server, if we ever have two digits we open champagnes.
It should get better by having a second server on with more content.
Well, as far as Ive seen it didnt change anything.
Anyway Im personally unable to host races and Paul doesnt have very much time, any ideas welcome as far as Im concerned.
My bet goes to what Juraj says, more seasons in a year if people and admin agree of course.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - JimmyC - 21-08-2015
1959nikos Wrote:JimmyC Wrote:I prefer three seasons, though, like bullwinkle, two (or one) is OK and won't keep me away.
Btw long time Jim, glad to have you back
Thanks, nikos. There are two other organizations vying for my attention on Sunday nights, both of whom also run historic cars with big fields. Such a problem to have!!! ;D
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - gorgias1976 - 21-08-2015
I've wandered if the lack of drivers in the final races was because of summer holidays, lack of interest in the lola, people getting tired of driving the same car for that many races..... don't know.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - Paul Swire - 22-08-2015
gorgias1976 Wrote:I've wandered if the lack of drivers in the final races was because of summer holidays, lack of interest in the lola, people getting tired of driving the same car for that many races..... don't know.
I agree a lot of people were missing from races due to the summer season, I have noticed this before in previous seasons.
I do also think the Lola had something to do with it, I personally am not a fan of this car. Maybe I'm just old and prefer the historic's lol
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - 1959nikos - 22-08-2015
8 votes till now, come on guys vote.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - 1959nikos - 23-08-2015
Wow a duce.
The votes are 5 to 5.
Remember you can change your vote if you have meanwhile changed your mind.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - cosimo - 23-08-2015
Hi folks,
short or long season, doesn't make much difference for me. Sorry I use tapatalk so I can't vote into the poll.
What put me off a bit this year was the car. Lola is too difficult to drive for me. I don't enjoy it much. Plus I'm more and more into endurance racing.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - gorgias1976 - 23-08-2015
jerry 33 Wrote:kinda what Axe said.. I know that the core group of this league - live, eat and die sim racing - I guess that is why the league is called sim racers 4 life ;D
but to get more people I would think you would have to have the league to be in peak "in door" season - like October thru april.. that should be the points season. second season, may thru sept - could be made up of fun races (no points), of WHATEVER you want. new F1, vettes, old cars, enduro's, whatever you would want to do to change up and try to keep the interest level up.. possible to make some of those races on a week night - hoping not to interfere with family's and summer activities.. this will NOT sit well with "core group" of course, because as the sign says: life if for sim racing, and sim racing is 4 Life..
even if this would be considered, which I doubt, but let's just dream a little... a stopper could be made that, we don't alter from what we have been, or change the mold.. you can look at it that way I suppose.. or, you can look at it as a test, to see what IS possible..
but, you asked for input and there is mine :
I want to make notice on this you say Jerry,
A couple of years ago we had 3 "server side" admins (Paul, Bryan and Marcel) and that helped having races every week. On even weeks we raced the league event and on odd weeks we raced fun races in the same track with different cars every fun event. This helped refreshing our minds of constant thinking in the same car week after week.
The problem is now Paul alone is taking all the server side work, and to make things worse he is way too busy too in his personal life.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - Paul Swire - 23-08-2015
gorgias1976 Wrote:The problem is now Paul alone is taking all the server side work, and to make things worse he is way too busy too in his personal life.
I can setup the servers for fun events every other week. With the same track as the league event quite easily. The only thing that would need to be decided would be which car each week. But you could decide that before hand quite easily by either discussing in the server or in the forum.
The problem I have I would not be able to admin this every week.
Once the server is set up it can be admin'd by anyone in the server with the password. It would just need setting up with correct number of laps for the race. Because we always used to run these as open events with no password, so it would need someone in the server to do some sort of control.
RE: Seasons' duration and dates - sdancourt - 24-08-2015
The idea of start with a F2 seasson to end with F1, ISI a mean, seems wonderful to me, I am in simulation many years, not so good driver, but not much time in RF2, so the opportunity to make the upgrade is a dream come true!! ja ja